From Einstein’s discovery that Matter = Energy (E=MC2) to Quantum Physics’ nine-billion-dollar-baby – the Large Hadron Collider centered outside Switzerland and accelerating particles at near the speed of light – we know with certainty that there is far more to our universe than that which meets the eye… Now, what if we could apply these 21st century findings to the human being and the World of Medicine?
Here’s a video from an interview with Dr. Irving Dardik,author of Quantum Fitness: Breakthrough to Excellence and subject of the book Making Waves: Irving Dardik and His Superwave Principle, joined Innovative Medicine to discuss the great importance quantum physics has on health and medicine. Known for his mind-expanding SuperWave Principle and other advanced theories, Dr. Dardik is helping to bring upon a new movement in medicine.
below you’ll also find the transcript of the interview. A special thanks to my colleague Ben Ahrens for conducting this interview – @benahrens.
- Interview with Irving Dardik, M.D.
Dr. Dardik, you’ve had great success in the therapeutic treatment of things like Parkinson’s Disease, diabetes and a host of chronic illnesses effectively curing these so-called incurable diseases. Most of this you credit to something called “Super Wave Theory.”
So what is your approach to treating such ailments and what is it that you do differently from what we see in mainstream medicine?
The focus for me is looking at why and how. What is health? What is nature? How does it work? Why is it that there’s absolutely not a single cause or cure for any chronic disease? I mean, think about that. That is a pretty powerful statement.
But you know, you go from cancer to cardiovascular disease, behavioral disorders, autoimmune disorders and no one has ever come up with a single understanding of the origin or the underlying phenomenon responsible. So we blame it on this gene, that molecule, that chemical and so forth. But we’re still in the dark as far as understanding the origin and the underlying phenomenon of disease versus health.
You said something in a previous interview where basically in mainstream medicine, we give something a name. We give it a diagnosis and treat according to the diagnosis. You had said that what the real cause of disease is is actually a wave disorder. Could you describe what you mean by that?
Yes. You know, in the causes of disease as they’re perceived today is a target, a molecule, a gene, a material substance, a thing that is responsible, that is unstable, you know, a genetic instability, a mutation. Where I’ve come from in my understanding based on my experience, not only with working in the cardiovascular arena in medicine, but also working with the Olympics as head of sports medicine, sport science there, and looking at the bodies and health, at the body’s rhythms and recognize that all motion in a living organism, from a bacterium right all the way up to an elephant’s tusk, all motion, all change is rhythmic. It’s cycles of motion.
At every scale the whole body’s behaviors… my behaviors, I exercise and I recover in a cycle. I wake up and go to sleep. We know that. Anxious and then relax. But the heart is beating also, and the chemicals are oscillating and every molecule, every hormone is secreted in a pulsatile way, going right down to the DNA, which we know is a double helix and it’s contracting and relaxing. They call it grieving.
So what I figured out is how to orchestrate the body’s rhythms to resynchronize the orchestra, the chemical, biochemical oscillations in order to create health. Coming from that direction rather than just having a war on disease and trying to kill a target, how do I resynchronize the collective? The billions and trillions of interactions that they can all become orchestrated in a pattern designed for health?
I like that. That’s a radically different mindset, mind shift. That’s a whole kind of change in paradigm coming from the idea that there’s disease that we need to target, like you said, you know, we have a war on everything these days. A war on disease; something that we need to… Instead of fighting disease, how can create health?
And I like that you used the word “orchestra” because as you just explained, it seems like we’re talking about both a macrocosmic view. We have day and night. We have summer, winter. We have these seasonal changes. We have these huge wave patterns. And then down onto a cellular and even a subcellular level, you’re also saying that it sounds like there are these oscillations that exists. And it all comes down to, how can you conduct this orchestra to play in harmony.
So that kind of begs the question, what is health? Or what would you describe is our state of health?
Health in effect, we always talk about what’s causing disease. So what you just asked is, what causes health? For my understanding as I delve into physics, you know the word physics comes from the Latin word physice which means nature. What is nature? It’s not just physics. What I made of not just molecules and genes, you know, we always think of the chemistry and the molecular biology. But all that is made of atoms and particles in quantum physics.
There you find that things are rhythmic. They know that even down at the quantum level, a particle is a wave. So when we’re talking about health and what causes health and creates health, it’s the collective orchestration, the symphony orchestra of how our physiology is patterned in a design for health which is quite opposite of what one thinks of in terms of the Darwinian approach in which a gene, a molecule fits into something and somehow bottom up you can somehow randomly, survival of the fittest.
Where I’m coming from in this understanding of rhythms and waves is not just bottom up oscillation and the molecular interactions and the physiological phenomena that are all cyclic and oscillatory, but coming from the top down where my rhythms and the shape of my wave patterns and my cycles influences the collective orchestration, the collective synchrony and harmony in patterns for health.
If one has a disorder or disease, a disorder, the chemistry in the molecular interactions also have repetitive phenomenon cyclically but in patterns that are, you might say, designed or patterned according to a disease, a disorder.
Take something like bipolar. Manic depression is a cycle; that attack. You now have the manic and all of a sudden, recovery, depression on the other side. But the shape of those waves no different than an autoimmune disorder- arthritis, lupus, where the immune system becomes activated and then periodically goes into remission. Attack/remission. Attack/remission.
Neurological disorders. Behavioral disorders. These are all… and Parkinson’s disease. Cardiac Arrhythmias. Cancer. The cell cycle dividing abnormally, nonstop, cyclically. The cell cycle it’s called is cycling to a point where it’s just about nonstop. What is this? It actually cycles in the 24 hour cycle as well; mostly dividing at night.
So the key rather than looking… This is a whole, you’ve said it before and to me it’s astonishing and I never can get over it. That this is a whole new way to look at health and disease and understand… you know, people have always tried to find holistic approach. So they take the parts-the exercise, nutrition, the mind, you know, the different nutrients and put them together into a whole. Like how can I fit the pieces of the puzzle together?
We know that that can be helpful, but we also know that sometimes it doesn’t seem to have the effect we would like. I’m saying here is an entirely new way of thinking that really goes back to the very beginnings of our origins as we lived in nature itself. In which our rhythmic patterns of survival-the hunt and all that was nested in the rhythms, the cycles of the day/night, the monthly cycles and so forth. And our physical behaviors were designed for survival and health.
Rather than in civilization where we progress if we lock ourselves into, I’ll call them prisons, like little cages. We close the systems and then we find out why is cancer more prevalent in inner cities? Asthma is more prevalent in inner cities. In Northern latitudes you have a higher incidence of disorders that are latitudely dependent like multiple sclerosis or cancer of the colon, breast, prostate. They recognize that North and South as you get away from the equator, the day/night cycle which has a powerful wave, you have a higher incidence of those disorders no less something like seasonal effective disorders, depression in which the waves flatten out in very little light; lots of dark and cold.
What I understood is how the waves are connected from the large scale down to the micro in a pattern that can be self-similar, it’s called. It’s like Russian dolls or Matryoshka dolls nested inside one another. Or like broccoli and cauliflower, little bunches in a bigger bunch and a bigger bunch. That if you know how to reshape the bigger waves, you can reshape the microscopic waves to actually communicate in a pattern, and I can conduct my own orchestra. I can conduct. I can write my own prescription in a sense for health.
Incredible and this is a revolutionary way of thinking where it’s actually… On one end it becomes very, very complex. And a lot of what you’re talking about now and have been talking about for virtually the past three decades is now supported by billions of dollars’ worth of research that they’re putting into quantum physics and things like that large Hadron collider. They’re teleporting particles between Canary Islands. They’re doing all these things and realizing that foundational science behind what you’ve been saying all this time.
On the other way of looking at it, it’s very almost intuitive and simple that we are designed to live in this orchestra that is nature. You know, nature doesn’t mess around. It’s us who try and mess with nature.
Right. That is a very good way of putting it. But when you go down to the quantum level and you find that it can have this enigma, they call it sometimes, quantum weirdness, where the particles are waves. And how can a particle be a wave? And I’m demonstrating how the waves actually behave to orchestrate and be the particles in a way that I can actually conduct that quantum orchestra.
You know, that is profound. But it also has an enormous meaning in society and health of our civilization, survival of the planet, the survival of our civilization, survival of us and the environment is to recognize that I am not divorced from those molecules and genes and microscopic oscillations as if they’re a target. That’s me and I have an input. I have an influence. And the influence is extraordinarily powerful once you understand how it actually works and what I can do to actually influence my physiology, my chemistry, my molecular, my quantum arena at the micro, sub-micro level so that it all works in a pattern designed for health. Designed, I sometimes call it HPL.
What is that?
Health, Performance and Longevity. It has an enormous impact on a healthy longevity, not just that I’m living and I can barely get around and all that. But at a healthy longevity to actually make my physiology, my chemistry behave in a younger way as if I was younger physically and physiologically younger and healthy at the same time. Talk about a revolution.
Absolutely. And we already discussed that these thoughts and theories are now being confirmed and big money is going toward actively investigating and confirming these theories in the scientific arena. Now it’s time to really apply it to the medical arena.
This is something that you’ve been doing for a long time. Other people are just beginning to catch on. But I’d like to go back to your experience in 1995.
What was going on there? You ran into some problems. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Oh sure. I ran into problems in that… Well actually there was an article that was written by Tony Schwartz who was the guy who wrote the book Art of the Deal for Art Trump.
Okay. Is that the same Tony Schwartz from the Human Potential Movement who wrote Power of Full Engagement and he’s writing this energy project now? Is that the same person?
Right. Right. Right. I was the one who introduced him to the stuff actually. And he wrote an article on me. They put me on the cover. When they write an article on you, you can only say so much. And they decide what is right and wrong. It turned out to be an extremely positive article with my picture on the cover of New York Magazine back then in the early 90s.
The subtitle, there was a subtitle of something to the effect of Dr. Irv Dardik’s Radical Exercise Therapy Really Work Miracles.
Well that was a statement that, you know, in the medical world people don’t particularly go for miracles and miracle cures that don’t have substantiation and the chemical, genetic laboratory. At the time, I was developing this whole approach.
I had just been working in the past before then with the US Olympic committee and I became very aware of chronobiology; the rhythmic patterns of life and sports performance. I learned more and more about that and I began to understand how this would influence a new approach to using these rhythms that would influence people with disorders, diseases.
So I ended up working with individuals with everything from cancer to multiple sclerosis. From Parkinson’s Disease to anorexia. So the article actually interviewed a number of people. And I got great results. It was quite an extraordinary thing.
But what happened was, that I was also working with someone with who had severe multiple sclerosis. And actually she ended up writing articles about herself in which she described how she had a miraculous capacity to walk again.
In fact, I happen to have the title of that, Unconventional Treatment Helps Woman to Walk Again was one article around the country. Another one was titled Back on Her Feet. Unconventional Therapy, etc.Enabled Somebody to Walk Again.
But what happened was that she stopped doing this program. She moved and went back to Florida. There was a whole thing. In that context, it’s like anything. If you don’t continue, if you stop, you can run into problems.
And, you know, she had been working on this for a year, year and a half, something like that. It was miraculous to see that the fact that she, herself had wrote articles about that. Then when she stopped, all of a sudden her symptoms came back. Not worse and all that. Her mother happened to be a Supreme Court Justice in New York.
State of New York, and came after me with a vengeance as if I had done something inappropriate working with her. And unfortunately the medical board in New York where I was no longer practicing medicine at all, I was no longer doing surgery. I kept a license just for malpractice or whatever. They turned around and said, “Hey, this is hocus pocus.”
Back then, in the 90s something like even acupuncture was considered to be heresy, you know?
Today it’s a different world because people are opening up to new ideas and saying maybe we’re looking in the wrong place. Can I give you a little story that relates to this?
In physics they have a story where a guy lost his keys and he’s looking for them and looking. He can’t find them. His friends would come over and they’re trying to help him. Finally one says, “Are you sure you lost your keys here?”
He says, “No. I actually lost them down the block, but the lamp post is here where I can see.”
That’s what people have been doing in the world of science and many people, not everyone, but a huge number of people are looking under the lamp post where I know I’ve been trained to look here.
I love that.
The lamp post is here where I can see. Isn’t that neat?
That’s a great analogy. That’s a perfect analogy. And it’s true. You know, the medical orthodoxy does not like when they don’t have an explanation that satisfies their own criteria. I have right here a quote from the book that Roger Lewin wrote about you, Making Waves. Which I highly recommend. It’s a fantastic book.
He says, this is actually a quote he brings in from HG Wells. Says, “New and stirring things are belittled because if they’re not belittled the humiliating question then arises. Why then, are we not taking part in them?”
Yeah, that’s exactly it. That’s exactly it. And here, now, you look at history. Look at Galileo. He was under house arrest for the last 8 years of his life. Look at somebody like Semmelweis who discovered the importance of washing your hands before you do medical surgery, you know.
We do that routinely today, but Semmelweis was ridiculed. Many of these people,Boltzmann committed suicide when he came up with ideas of thermodynamics and the steam engine and the universe because when you come up with a novel idea, just like when you were saying with Wells, now, it really can hit people hard. And they do their thing which is, “I’m sticking with where I know is right.”
Revolutions are tough to come by, but that’s the future. What I’m talking about with this health understanding. This new understanding of how to go about understanding nature and health, not just piece by piece, molecule, gene by gene, but how to get the whole team working together. That’s the way. That’s the future. Where we are right now is the future of health and medicine.
And most importantly, I’m glad you said that, most importantly we have, and you have shown that there are the results to back it up. Still it’s incredible how on individual and also a societal level, the mind will do mental backflips in order to preserve its own sense of comfortable reality that it thinks it should be. And these paradigm shifts… Whenever you have anything revolutionary throughout history like you mentioned with Galileo and all of these other people who really shaped history as we know it today, it’s never met without tremendous resistance. We’ve seen that with this. You’ve seen that. You’ve experienced that firsthand. I have no doubt we’ll continue to experience that.
But I agree with you. This has to be the future of medicine. It’s looking, not just through the lens of a microscope, but also through this macroscopic view that you’re talking about with the super wave theory.
Yes. You know historically we work with people with all these disorders I was talking about. Parkinson’s Disease. Someone now just came out with a book. He’s a very sharp and high level business person and he wrote a book called, Waving Goodbye to Parkinson’s. Waving as a cycle. Good bye to Parkinson’s. And what happened to him when he was considered to be impossible. He used to be an amateur opera singer as well and could no longer sing; barely speaking and barely able to walk. And now you would hardly know he had Parkinson’s. People are shocked.
Yeah, this is incredible. And it’s always at the beginning. I see the same thing with people with bipolar. People with cancer. The cells cycle. How can I orchestrate my own rhythms so now my cancer cells will listen to my rhythms and become part of the whole organism again instead of isolating themselves as if they’re independent and doing their own thing and not listening to me?
It’s the rhythms that are responsible for the orchestration and the beauty of life. So it’s a big deal.
It’s a phenomenal deal. And if you think about waves, what waves really mean, it’s a way of communication. We have radio waves. We’re living now in an age of information where everything is transmitted from our computers to our cellphones to our TV sets, is transmitted through waves. And those waves, based on their amplitude and their frequency, they’re delivering information.
So what I’m gathering from a lot of what you’re saying and from what I’ve read from Roger Lewin’s book about you is that the real source of dysfunction, going back to this first fundamental question about what is disease? What is the cause of disease? And you say it’s a wave disorder. It’s really raw information coming from our environment, from so many different factors. But it’s wrong information.
If we can simply restore the proper information, disease, this state of dis-ease will reverse and our natural state of health, which is our default state (if I’m getting that right) is what will come back.
Right. And you know the beauty of it? It’s simple! It’s not only natural and it’s logical, but it’s simple. You know, on these websites with lifewaves that you describe, the program that is now can be delivered via the computer, any place in the world. This is fantastic.
So whether you’re healthy, whether one has a problem with a disorder from any age, one can then begin the process of repatterning their physiology according to the design of nature, the rhythmic patterns that we as human beings were designed to have. It’s a big deal.
This is an exciting time. And Dr. Dardik…
It is an exciting time.
Yeah, I’m so happy to be talking with you today. This is an exciting moment for me. And I think an exciting time in history and we all collectively have a lot to look forward to in science and medicine in this application of quantum physics and understanding to medicine and to health and healing.
The website that you mention is www.lifewaves.com. And of course for listeners you can find out more information about us, Innovative Medicine at InnovativeMedicine.com and see some of the tools that we are using to apply these quantum physics principles to health and healing.
Do you have anything else you’d like to add today?
I just want to say it’s actually been my pleasure in speaking with you and the website and the work you’ve been doing is innovative and it’s the future of where we need to be. And it’s happening. That’s the beauty of this. This is not something that’s languishing and just fading out of the picture. It’s really a revolution that is so necessary and so important for this country and nature and the world and life as we know. And this is the time.
This is the time.
The time is now.
The time is now. The future is here. Well, Dr. Dardik, than you so much.
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